From Coping to Curing: Rethinking How We Heal with Yildiz Sethi

Welcome And Podcast Purpose

Well, welcome to Connect, Inspire, Create, a podcast exploring meaningful conversations about life, work, creativity, and the ways we can grow. Let's slow down the conversation just enough to notice what inspires us and how those insights can help shape what we create in our lives. These conversations go beyond just business strategies. We explore living with intention and self-trust, alternative ways of thinking and being, creativity, purpose, and personal growth, and navigating transitions in work and life. I am Carol Clegg, your host, an accountability and mental fitness coach. And I invite my guests from around the world with a wide range of backgrounds to share insights on how they live, think, and navigate the wonderful challenges of just being a human in our world. So today, joining me all the way from Brisbane, Australia, is my guest, Yildiz Sethi. And I do hope that I have said your name correctly. I hope so. So welcome, welcome. Lovely to have you joining me from across the globe.

Thank you very much. Lovely to be here, Carol.

From Coping To Curing

All right. So we pulled out a topic which we're going to explore from coping to curing and rethinking how we heal. But before we jump in, I'd just like to tell you a little bit about my ildezguestguests. Sethi So Hildaire is an Australian-based psychotherapist, educator, and an author with a background in physics and chemistry teaching. Her journey into psychotherapy began with a deep curiosity about human consciousness, healing, and the possibility of real transformation. And over the past more than 25 years, she has developed innovative therapeutic approaches that work directly with the subconscious and generational patterns to create rapid lasting change. Hildez is the best-selling author of Let's Take the Crap Out of Psychotherapy and a few other books that you'll find on her website. And she speaks candidly about what's not working in the mental health system and what can. So, Hildez, that's the official introduction, but I'd love to start with something a little more personal before we dive into your work. And if you and I were sitting together over coffee and I asked you what feels most present in your life right now, what comes to mind?

You know, being most present right now for me would be being I'm I'm an older person. I'm not young, not worrying about what people think of me, actually, is probably the biggest thing, you know. When I was younger, like most of us, we were kind of excruciating the conscious of what people think. And these days I don't worry about that at all, actually. Which is a great freedom. I was just going to say that.

It's a beautiful freedom, isn't it?

Yeah, it's a great freedom. Although within that, I'm I'm also really aware of not stepping on people's toes, not being cruel, not being nasty. Um just being able to say what I think respectfully, hopefully, and you know, whether they take it or not is entirely up to them. I I'm not going to worry about that too much.

Right, yeah. There's a kindness, but there's also you being you. Yes. And I think we've earned it by the time we get to the stacade. It's like there's a balance, there's kindness, but we're still allowed to be who we are. That's right. Absolutely. I love that.

And also I think in doing that, we become leaders in our field, you know. We're able to say what we really think. You know, other people might also be thinking it, but they're they're so scared of the repercussions they don't say anything. So when you get to a certain age, you get past that. I think that's where I'm at here.

I love that. I know I shared in your your introduction that you began in physics and chemistry. What drew you to understanding the human mind and the healing part of it?

Identity, Science, And Curiosity

A Turning Point Into Healing Work

Yes, okay. Oh gosh, that's a huge question. I know that that's all right. It's a good question, too, actually. Look, I was born into a mixed marriage situation at home. Turkish Cypriot dad, English mum born in England, and that they were struggling people that that you know that they really struggled in life, really. And and I guess even from a very young age, I was thinking, who am I? You know, am I this? Am I that? Is this the right religion? Is that the right religion? What is religion anyway? You know, and there was a I think look back, I was in a bit of a dilemma about identity, and and that got me to to wonder, you know, how do we think? How do we, even as a very young girl, I I was fascinated by how can he think that way, and how can she think that way? And I hear me thinking totally differently, right? So I was already fascinated from a very young age, and I was also very fascinated about how things work, the universe, the stars, the the planets, the physicality of life as well, you know. So that got me into high school teaching, where I where I became a teacher of physics and chemistry, and believe it or not, multicultural religion, right? Because I've had an interest in both my whole life, right? And so I did, we we moved to Australia around that time, around well, 40 more than 40 years ago now, and I carried on my physics and chemistry teaching, but I was always fascinated by spirituality. I was always, you know, intrigued about that. And then one day, and I loved my self-science teaching, by the way, because I really loved teaching children and letting them know they can do it, that it's not so difficult, that you know that they do have capacity, they do have potential. I love to see their little lights going on. Oh wow, I get that, you know. So that's kind of what drove me through teaching. Then we went on holiday and met two Vedic astrologers in one week on holiday. I didn't even know what that was. It's it's Indian astrology, Vedic astrology, which is very popular in America, I know, not so popular here in Australia. Anyway, I was totally fascinated by what I found, and it kind of fed my spiritual ideas of you know, why are we here, what are we here for, you know, what is that place in the world, in the universe, etc. All of that. And so I got really involved in that. I took a course home with me, started learning straight away, and became fascinated. So that got me into the next year of a horrible year of internal conflict with part of the new part of me saying, I love this Vedic astrology, I would love to become a Vedic astrologer and do this full time. And then I've got my husband, the other side, and family members and friends saying, Hang on, you're really good at what you do as a physics teacher. You can't just throw this away to become a Vedic astrologer. Anyway, I I battled with that for a whole year internally until I got sick. My digestion stopped working, I had a diagnosis of pre-cancer, and I thought, okay, that's my answer, right? It's like, okay, I can't do this dilemma anymore. This down the middle of the line, right. The advisor. I listened to that. And not everybody listens, right? Some people just plow on, I know, but I listened. So I gave up my teaching, I studied full-time, became a Vedic astrologer, loved doing that. But within a really short time of that, I got into meditation, daily meditations, which is kind of part of that whole thing. And in one meditation, which went deeper than normal, I saw myself as an Indian man dying in a village in India, and I was a Vedic astrologer. And on my deathbed, I saw myself saying, because I felt it was me, yes, Vedic astrology is wonderful, but next time I'm going to do more to help my people make changes they need to make, right? And I took that message very seriously and thought, okay, that was also an idea that was developing in me as well through my Vedic astrology, because Vedic astrology is an amazing spiritual science, it's very accurate, and it shows people their life map and their soul map, really, where they are, what they're doing, what their natural inclinations are going to be, and all of that kind of thing, which is fascinating. However, I was seeing people who were coming to me who were who really had serious issues. I could see there were emotional issues, psychological issues, and they were holding them back from being free to be who they need to be, right? And I thought, well, wouldn't it be more useful for me to help them there to actually free up? And that is still part of your spiritual journey. I see all was spiritual, right? That's just the way I look at life. So that got me into becoming a counsellor. And having become a counselor, registered counsellor, did the whole degree, realizing after I'd started working, wow, this is disappointing. For me, it's disappointing. Because I'm listening to people's stories, we're doing everything correctly, and yet with your training that you've received. Everything I've done, you know, all my training, I needed to be do the right thing, and realize, wow, this is so slow. And we don't get to the the crux of what's really holding them back. So then I became a clinical hypnotherapist, right? And and happier with that because now I'm delving into the subconscious mind, helping people make those deeper changes much quicker, which helped me and helped them. And then in 2002, I was walking around a bookshop in Sydney, and a little book seemed to jump off the shelf at me, a little brand book called Acknowledging What Is by Bert Hellinger. And I read a couple of pages, bought the book, took it home, read it cover to cover very quickly, and thought, wow, that's exactly what I want to do. And he's in Germany, I'm in Sydney. Look, it's probably not much chance of crossing paths. And then I said, Look, I'd still love to see this in action. So a few years later, we're going, Stisha, my husband and myself were in India on a backpackers track, you know, kind of trail, and we stopped somewhere to rest. And the next day, in the middle of the you know, place we were at, a big sign came up: family constellations, come and have a look. So here am I, thinking, whoa, you know. So there we are, we we go and we're fascinated, and then there's a three-day workshop, so we stay and do that, and then after that, there's training. So we cancel the rest of our holiday and do that, right? So this is how my journey has been. Oh my goodness.

I mean, it is, it's it's it's a fascinating story in how the universe has a line, certainly.

Synchronicity and listening to your those little voices that come up or those feelings that come up. And I don't advocate jumping onto every little thing that comes up. That's dangerous.

But you know, I was gonna say, yeah, sit with over a period of extensive period of time. So that's that you know, have patience, yeah, spend a little bit of time in in evaluating, you know, is this is this real. Yeah, yeah, jumping and following every single little what you think is an intuition and the universe still fits in you. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh wow, that is beautiful story. Thank you for sharing.

Yeah, so that might got me out of regular counselling, if you like. I'm still, I'm still actually uh registered as a counselor psychotherapist, I'm still registered as a hypnotherapist, I still adhere to all the legal and ethical issues and all of that, which is absolutely fine. But now I'm also doing other things as well, which broadening your which serve serve my purpose. Yes, absolutely. Much more, yes.

The Mental Health System Problem

Yeah. Well, as we were talking about, you know, the coping to curing, and you talk about moving from coping to curing, and also that length of time and that feeling that it was just taking too long for a lot of things, what challenges do you think that we generally as society have been taught about mental health? And and how do you see people staying stuck in that coping mode without even realizing they're stuck in the coping mode?

Yes, yes, yes. Look, particularly since the 1990s, 1990s, I would say, and it's become much more predominant here in 2025-26. There has been a quite a concerted message or marketing or way of thinking that has come through our medical models all over the world. It's it's not just been in Australia, I'm sure it's not just been in America or UK, I'm sure it's been everywhere. That okay, you've got a problem. Things are coming out over our airways all the time. You've got a problem, you're feeling a bit down. Go and see your GP, and he'll put he or she will put them you into, you know, see a psychologist, da-da-da-da-da. So as soon as you do that, you're in the medical model, you're in a a closed system that believes that is the only way you can work with this, right? And that's, I think, a major problem for two ways of thinking. First of all, the people in the white coats, the people that, you know, have the highest IQs, the people who, you know, get to be psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors are telling us this is the only way to go. So that's a that's an actual dilemma for the for the average client, average person in the public, isn't it? You know, why would I mean of course I'm gonna listen to this? These are the people that are trained, they know what they're doing, etc. Why would I listen to anybody else? Now, when when I was researching my book and when I wrote my book, Rapid Core Healing, I also did a lot of research there. In both books, there's a lot of research already in the back of the book, you can check them out. Okay, I found that the medical model is actually still running on an on old beliefs that go back to the 1700s. 1700s, okay. Now, in the 1700s, we didn't know much, right? So fair enough. But to still hold those as the the base beliefs of our current 2026 mental health system, I believe is criminal, right? Which is why I said take the crap out of psychotherapy. And the belief, the beliefs that I'm going to tell you about, that the two main ones are once the mind or the brain is not functioning well for whatever reason, it's broken and cannot be recovered. But it's permanent, it's permanent. There is something genetically or physically wrong with your the way you pro you think, the way you program, and therefore, forevermore, you have got this diagnosis, let's say, of depression or anxiety or some other whatever, right? And that is the major problem because today, since certainly since the 1940s, 50s, 60s, neuroscience has been here, right?

It's very much part of rewiring of uh the neuroplasticity, the strength, the ability, the open mindset. Love it, yeah.

All of that, all of that's been there since the 1940s, if you look it up, right? Which that is incredible because it's a very very long time ago, right? Even about the time, you know, before I was born, even, right? Right. So it's like, okay, so how come with uh and this neuroscience new and epigenetics and theories about plasticity are no longer just theories, they have been validated, they have been verified over and over and over and over again, and even more now with scans. You know, we've been able to scan the brain and see what happens and the changes that can happen. Just incredible. So it's absolutely amazing science. And yes, I come from a scientific background, so so of course that speaks to me, and I think any logical people might think the same. It does speak to logic. So why is that not been taken into the medical system, right? Now, yeah, so so those beliefs are key, and and within that, the pharmaceuticals have come in and somehow coerced or conscripted, or you know, some things happen between the top parts of the medical model and the pharmaceutical industry where they're joined at the hip. And the pharmaceutical industry now is very often leading the way about what is the latest thing we need to do.

To be able to what should you be taking? What should be educating the doctors? I know that's another whole exactly.

That's another whole area, exactly. And so there are the lots of nasty little things in that, which I speak about openly in Rapical Healing and even more in let's take the crap out of psychotherapy, because it's holding us back. The other thing, the other thing to that is most of the psychotherapy modalities also date back to the 1950s and 60s and 70s. Here we are, 2026, still.

And that's what's taught in the schools and what they're learning about.

Still being taught everywhere, right?

I happen to have my daughter is a clinical therapist, and you know, watched her walk through her masters and where she was learning from.

Exactly, exactly. I have a master's too, and it's like, well, hang on, we're in 2026. Why are we still talking about you know, uh, 1950s, 60s, 70s psychotherapy? Which is groundbreaking at the time, which which is fantastic. They are uh they're they we need to respect that, absolutely.

Why Talk Therapy Stalls

Yeah, but an awareness, I think, of some of that, and then sort of, as you say, bringing it into now what is on the table. Exactly. That's right. And yeah, the neuroplasticity. This will time you in because we're talking about the brain and then bringing in the subconscious and the generational patterns. And then I know that you, you know, you use that and you work with that. How do these quietly shape the way we live, act, make decisions? And is there a way that we can go, hmm, okay, I have noticed these patterns in myself? How can I shift from these patterns without judgment?

Okay, yes. Look, you know, we're all programmed to problem solve, right? Right? We all we all look at ourselves and notice stuff and think, okay, I need to change this. Or not we all, but those of us that are reflective and those of us that want to improve will think that way, right? So there's a lot we can do for ourselves through self-help books, through the coaching, through you know, personal development, etc. However, the deeper, deeper patterns are really harder to shift. And it's a bit like you need somebody to facilitate that for you, you know, because we can't see our blind spots, right? We cannot see them because we're used to them, because we were born into them, because you you know, and so you need to have somebody you can trust to help you through that. Now, so yes, you can do a lot for yourself, and that's what most people do uh naturally, and I encourage that 100%. But but then when you get to that point of okay, I've done everything I can about this particular pattern, and here I am still doing it, it's still rolling up. Still stuck in the cycle, right? Exactly. That's right. So now that's the point where you need some help, right? So so that's what I would say. Now, the other part to needing help is what kind of help do you do? Because if you go into the medical model, what will happen almost definitely is you'll be diagnosed with something, you'll be labelled, labeled, yes, and then you'll be Put into a cycle of various uh concepts of CBT, cognitive behavioral therapies, which help you manage the symptoms. There is no hint there of any cure. It's managing symptoms with you know cognitive behavioral therapies and medication, usually is the model, right? Right now, the problem with talk therapies and cognitive behavioral therapies and psychotherapies, generally speaking, is they're working through the talking mind, thinking mind, you know, your feeling as well, of course, to some extent. But the the actual what is conscious to us is very small. Do you know how much of our mind or our consciousness is conscious?

Have you got any idea? No, it's probably minute though, because I know the thinking side is out of control.

Yeah, take the proportion. Exactly. So so they used to say when I first did my hypnotherapy diploma, they used to say it was 20% is conscious. Now, today in 2026, they say 5%. Right?

No wonder we're in such a mess.

Generational Patterns And Epigenetics

So no wonder we're stuck. No wonder you can go to your therapist for a couple of years and still think, oh my God. I'd still be there. I've just got to accept that this is how I am and this is this is, you know, I'm dysfunctional and blah, blah, all that stuff. So it's like, well, hang on, you no wonder, right? And so this is what I realized very early on with my counseling that wow, I'm only tapping into these surface level behaviors and thoughts and feelings that are coming up. I'm never able to get to the crux of where it came from so that I can help them sort it out and release it or change it, right? Or process it. And so that's what got me into hypnotherapy. So you're talking about now. So what I have come to now, 26 years later, after starting all my therapy journey, is there are two sets of subconscious mind. One comes through our family system, our generational system, right? We're born into a family system, yeah, and that's even if you're adopted, even if you're you know separated from your family, you carry a lot of that information. Social, behavioral, emotional, relational patterns come through our family system, and they come through epigenetically.

And this is gonna say in ourselves?

Is that kind of how they come through in the environment around our DNA, not actually in the DNA, in the environment around the DNA, right? So it's very technical. You can read it up. I put a lot of that into rapical healing if anybody wants to go more technical on that. And so we find ourselves, you know, doing whatever we do and thinking, oh my god, I'll never, you I don't know what you're the same. I remember looking at my parents and thinking, I'd never, I'd never be like that, or I'd never be like that. And then, you know, 20 years later with my kids, oh my God, what's happening here? You know, what's all this coming at? You know, this is my dad, this is my mum. Oh my god. So so it's it's like we're we're programmed, right? And and so family constellations is an ideal one to tap into our generational mind and also a pattern, a feeling of something that you're carrying that you want to change. Because a lot of what we get from our family system is amazing, right? Resilient, it's it's creative, it's it's all sorts of stuff. But there's some little strands that we really not so good for us. So we want to change them. And so family constellations will, if you go to a good practitioner, will know how to tap into that and trail it back to where it came from and then help you process it and and and leave what you don't need to carry behind you and move forward in a different way, right? So that's how it works, but it works through a whole process which we call the family constellation, which goes very deep very quickly into that whole thing, and it's very somatic, it's very emotional based, and it kind of gets to the core pretty quickly of an issue that has its roots in your family system. And so that's what I still use now for those kind of issues. However, there are also often with the same issue a personal aspect to it as well, right? A personal aspect such as being bullied or uh never being heard, or you know, or even more extreme, you know, violence or or sexual abuse or something like that as well, right? So that if if we've experienced these in our personal life, not just through our family system, what we've inherited, it's what we've actually walked. What we've actually lived through, you know, we've lived through, we've experienced. If it's a troubling experience, we our body is is made, our mind is made to automatically repress it because it's horrible, it's painful, I don't know what to do with it, right? It represses it into the amygdala in the subconscious mind. So that's why I developed emotional mind integration, which will take somebody's you know, experience of a trigger. You know how you oh my god, when I see that kind of person, it makes me angry, or or or this kind of color. Oh my god, I'm so sad. What the hell's going on? So it's like, okay, it takes that symptom that you you want to change, and we drop back to the very first time this happened in that person's life, and through a whole series of processes. This is not to be done with anybody experimentally, please, because you could drop back into a middle of a highly traumatic situation, right? That has been repressed, right?

Which is going to do more damage, which will do a huge damage.

Trauma Triggers And Safe Processing

Unimaginable, right? Exactly, exactly. So this is why I say there's only so far you can go yourself. After that, you need to be somebody to partner, somebody to to qualify, guide you through it, right? So that it's safe. And that way we can go to the cause of it, I can help them resolve it in whichever way is necessary for them, and then I integrate it back into their system, and they come out feeling fantastic, right? And this really only takes two or three sessions.

Very good. I was just going to say this brings me to your rapid core healing, which one of the things that you speak about in your work is this idea that healing can happen in just a few sessions. It's sort of the releasing these years of, and that of course challenges, I'm sure a lot of authority challenges the medical system. Yeah, so for somebody hearing this and he's saying we can do this in a few sessions, and they're going, This sounds amazing, this is really hopeful, but at the same time, hmm, I'm a little skeptical. What would you want them to understand?

I I skeptical, I can understand, right? But it's like this also is totally in line with the latest findings in neuroscience and epigenetics. They say that if you hit the mark in the right way, it can change in a moment, right? It does not have to take forever, right? So the reason why it's taking so long is that they're wafting around with this 5% of ideas, trying to get you to change them or whatever. And of course, you know, you haven't got to the crux of it because it's all hidden in the subconscious mind, right? Either the generational or the personal. And so rapid rapid core healing is a kind of an umbrella of family constellations for the systemic or the generational, and emotional mind integration for the personal. And I I do them all under the umbrella of rapid core healing.

Okay.

And I'm hearing in that, I mean, obviously, learning not to have resistance to what we're suppressing, but to allow it.

No, no, no, no, no. I've got I've got rate great respect for the fight and flight response, right? Okay. Which is really what we're talking about here. So something awful happens, okay, you you you run away or you you punch them in the face or you freeze, you know? And and and that's you know, it's it's kind of that that is our body's way of defending us, right? So I have great yeah, defending us, protecting us, which has to happen if we're gonna survive, right?

Right.

However, over time, those repressed difficult memories start to form triggers and come up as fear or this the world is not a safe place, or you know, anger or or something, right? And that's when over time you notice this coming up, and that's when that needs to be dealt with. Changing the language, not changing the language, no. No, resolving the actual issue, right? So resolving the memory that we've got of being beaten up, or resolving the memory we've got of being shamed, or the memory we've got of whatever it is, it could be anything. And and so that can be rewritten in that subconscious mind, right? And that's what changes then the language and the feeling when we're out of the session, right? Right.

One Gentle Step To Start

So, so fascinating, so much to learn. I mean, I've just I've gained to make sure, but as we wrap up this conversation, I would love for you just to share if there was one gentle but meaningful step that someone could focus on kind of right now. Yeah, what would you recommend?

Yes. I would recommend not shutting down your feelings or your thoughts. If you are frequently feeling sad, just allow yourself to feel it. And if you find yourself crying, you know, just take yourself to a quiet place and just cry. And you might not know what it's about, but even the release of those emotions is helpful. If you're feeling really angry, rather than suppressing it, because anger is an emotion that has been vilified, really, right? Especially for women, right? Oh, women are meant to be nice and kind and gentle. Oh my gosh, no, no, no, no, no. We we must not never be angry. Uh, same for men too, to some extent, but I think it's it's even harder on women to some in some ways. So, yes, just say, yeah, I'm really angry. And and you might not even know what the anger is about, just feel it and say it several times out loud and take deep breaths in between. You'll find that starts to dissipate, right? So acknowledging your feelings, thoughts, if your thoughts are always negative, like I'm not good enough, or or you know, I can't do this, or yeah, I'm not gonna succeed at this, and there's no point in trying. I'm always tired, or whatever. If ever those words are not not positive, challenge yourself to switch them around, right? So, yeah, I'm not good enough. No, actually, I'm plenty good enough, you know, or I'm stretching or I'm extending or I'm getting there. Exactly, exactly, exactly. So challenge those thoughts because those thoughts are coming from you, right? Exactly. They're not nobody else is coming, is telling you to think this way or feel this way.

So as you say, kind of have a conversation with them in a way.

Exactly, that's right. And and and I can't I get take responsibility for your own feelings and thoughts. Don't always blame it on somebody else, right? Yeah, because a lot of people do that too. Oh, you make me angry, or you you make me sad, or no, no, no, no.

Resources, Boundaries, And Closing

More it is I feel angry because yes, exactly. That's right. Oh wow, you'll do this has been super. I want to just share. Well, I first want to say to you thank you. Thank you for sharing. Thank you for inviting me some some statistics and some research that you've shared with us, and yeah, just blending the the research and science and then reflection, and then we've got some practical steps. Uh exactly. We'll have your books, which people can find on your website, which I'll put that in the show notes. Anything else on your website?

They're also available on Amazon as well, of course. Perfect. In in audio, ebook, and paperback. Yes, sorry.

And anything else on your website where you would just highlight or you want people to check out?

Yes, join my Substack. That would be nice. I'm I'm I'm a regular writer on Substrack. Also, I've got a podcast of my own called Crazy Normal for Better Mental Health and Wellbeing. One thing I should have added to what I was saying before, and I need to say this as a as a precaution, really. I'm not advocating that all mental health is solvable.

Yes.

I'm not. I'm only advocating for what I call is the crazy normal, which is we all get depressed. Is there anybody in the world who has never been depressed? I would say there's something wrong with you if that's the case, right? We've all been depressed, we've all been anxious, we've all been fearful. You know, these things are the basis of many mental health diagnoses. Those can be resolved in my experience, but only resolved if the person is ready for change. I have no intention ever of conscripting people into to come and see me unless they're actually at that point of, oh my God, I'm sick of feeling like this or doing this. I need to change, right? So when when you get to that point of change, thank you. Yeah, that's when it needs to happen because you can go the other way. But certainly schizophrenia, bipolar, personality disorders, they are the extreme end of the mental health system and need to stay in the mental health system. And they do need to be medicated, diagnosed, managed for their own safety and the public safety as well.

Thank you for that clarity and just for reinforcing that, as you said, to just remind people. I'm not saying it's just open slather for anybody. No, this is this is the fix for everybody that knows. No, no, no, no. You're willing and aware and conscious and able, um, it's a journey that one can explore. That's right. Yeah, get some freedom and some ease and flow into one's own life, and rather sooner than later.

Well, you know, I I'm I'm at the age I am now, it's gone so quickly. You know, I'm so glad I have not wasted my life, you know, because you could spend the whole life, couldn't you saying what if, what if, what if. And it's like, well, no, let's just jump in, you know. And and again, like I said before, don't just jump in without consideration, consider it carefully, because you don't want to put your family in a mess and and you know, stop earning money or whatever. But, you know, really, yeah, take opportunities as they come up, yes, because you never know where they'll lead. And even if they lead down a rabbit hole, it's like, well, okay, I gave that a shot. I've done lots of things I've given a shot to, and thinking, well, okay, I I didn't know it was going to turn out like this, but now I know I won't do it again.

You've learned something through. Yeah, exactly. Oh, well, this has been wonderful. Thank you. So for those that are listening to Connect Inspired Create, if today's conversation has sparked something for you, I invite you to share it with your friends who would enjoy this and perhaps just learn something that they need to hear right now in their lives. And if you are a woman coach or business owner wanting focus, connection, or a bit of gentle accountability, there are a couple of ways to work with me. You can join my mindset to Momentum Accountability Circle. It's complimentary. We meet monthly for group check ins, or you can explore my 90 day package of weekly 30 minute check in accountability calls. You'll find all the details at CarolClegg.com, or you can connect with me on LinkedIn. So until the next time, may your choices bring you ease and flow.