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Who are you talking to?
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Like who is your ideal client?
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What does that next job look like?
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And then take that information, and then you're creating the narrative in your resume around solving the problems that that next job is looking for.
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Well, welcome everybody to Connect, Inspire, Create, a podcast exploring meaningful conversations about life, work, creativity, and the ways we can grow.
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As I step into season seven, my show is taking a fresh direction.
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Connect, Inspire, Create is about slowing down the conversation just enough to notice what inspires us and how those insights can help shape what we create in our lives.
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So I am Carol Clegg, your host.
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I call myself the Gentle Accountability Coach.
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And I invite my guests from a wide range of backgrounds just to share some insights into how they live, think, and navigate the wonderful challenges of just being a human being.
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Each episode invites a new perspective and some wonderful ideas that you might want to just carry into your own next step.
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In this episode of Connected Vibrate, I am joined by recruiter insider and career strategist Megan Applegate, who spent years on the other side of the hiring desk reviewing more than 20,000 resumes.
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Wow.
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And participating in hiring manager decisions.
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So welcome, Megan.
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Thank you.
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I appreciate that, Carol.
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It's so great to be here.
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I appreciate the opportunity.
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Lovely.
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I'm excited about this episode because it's a fresh take and something different for the show.
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So I'm excited to sort of expand and broaden things a little bit and bring your contribution to my listeners.
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I just want to tell my listeners a little bit about you.
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Sure.
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Megan is the creator of TAP Approach, Talent Acquisition Protocol, which is a systematic framework that helps professionals navigate the job search with clarity, confidence, and recruiter level insight.
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Yes.
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The modern job search I know can feel like a black box.
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You submit your application, you polish your resume, and then you still wonder if anybody ever sees it.
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Highly qualified professionals were being filtered out long before a human ever reviewed their experience.
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Not because they lacked skill, but because their resumes weren't communicating in the language that the system and the recruiter expected.
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Megan now helps professionals bridge that gap with her TAP approach, a structured way to move from reactive job searching to becoming a proactive architect of your career narrative.
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So, Megan, that's the official introduction.
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I appreciate that.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome.
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But I'd love just to start with something a little more personal.
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Sure.
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And so Megan, if we were sitting over coffee back in the old days when they used to do podcasts when you were in person.
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And I asked you what lights you up outside of work?
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What is the first thing that comes to mind?
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Probably, probably my my son, honestly.
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Yeah.
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I have a 15-year-old son, his name is Cruz, and he, you know, he's the light of my my life.
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I was um blessed to be able to have him.
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I was told I couldn't have kids at, you know, an age where I kind of gave up.
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And then, you know, one day new partner showed up in my life, and bam, I hear here comes our son.
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So, yes, from a personal point of view, you know, he's he's getting their age.
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He's already driving, but yeah, which is a scary thing for anyone that has, you know, teenagers that are going through that.
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But yeah, he really is the light of my life and what lights me up.
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Fantastic.
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I'll celebrate that with you, that children certainly are a gift.
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Yes.
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And yes, definitely.
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So that is awesome.
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So, Megan, moving on to what we're here to talk about and all the wonderful things that you do to help people, you know, find the right way to handle this all.
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I know that you spent years on the inside of the hiring process and reviewing, as we said, all those thousands of resumes and sitting in on those hiring manager discussions.
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But from that vantage point, what surprised you most about how that job search actually works compared to what most professionals think is happening?
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I think the biggest thing is just the change in the market of how job searching goes, right?
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I started recruiting 2018-2019, coming off of 20 years career in hospitality.
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And so getting into recruiting, you know, I kind of learned my way in, right?
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Like I didn't have any experience transitioning from being, you know, a high-level director of catering at a really nice full-service hotel into the recruiting world for the hospitality industry.
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And once I got into, you know, the meat of seeing all these resumes and and the the AI coming to life, right?
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And the last five, you know, three to four to five years, I think the biggest thing was just realizing that everyone's got it wrong.
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You know, and and that's and it was an eye-opener to me.
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And then I thought, well, you know, would you have it right if you were not, you know, learned in this recruiter position now?
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And the answer would be no, I wouldn't have it right either.
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Things have just really shifted in the how we how we think about how, you know, doing a job search, a lot of times people will be like, well, I have the experience, I have all these great companies, you know, and that should, you know, that should be enough.
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And unfortunately, the biggest, the biggest pain point is is visibility.
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You know, we've come into this this world and this market where everyone, everyone's kind of vying for attention, but if you can't be seen, meaning like getting your resume to the hiring manager and getting it stuck in that, like that, that the you know, wheel, like the cog and the wheel of like you it's getting into the ATS, but then it never makes its way to a human, you know, you're you're you're missing the signal.
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I don't know.
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You spoke about something called the six second scan, which is so short.
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Yes.
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So what are recruiters actually scanned for?
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We're scanning for like matches, right?
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And so a lot of times people are like, let me just put everything I've ever done on my resume.
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And then it ends up being three, four.
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I've even seen eight-page resumes, and I'm thinking, oh my gosh, like there's no way I'm gonna read this.
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And the and the and the scary part is is, you know, in all truth, reality is we get hundreds of resumes given to us every day.
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No one taught me how to scan a resume.
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I just learned how to do it.
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And so it's very, it's it becomes very natural to just automatically kind of look for what potentially there's going to be a fit for.
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So, you know, if you're starting with your name and then you go straight into experience and there's no bullet points.
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I mean, it's it's all kind of like like the psychology of how you read, right?
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From the top to the bottom.
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Is there enough white space?
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Are we using bullet points?
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Are you highlighting the things that you need us to read?
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Are you using key skills on the first page versus the second page where I'm gonna see that?
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And I'm my brain triggers an automatic.
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This looks professional.
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I can already tell that they're in the industry.
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I can tell that they are at the level that I need them to be.
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They picked up a little on the skills and they've got some longevity using the right date, you know, format.
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Then it's like, yes, like that's it.
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Um that moves over to the moves over to the next, the next thing, right?
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Getting the hiring manager.
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So a lot of people will ask me, like, how do you actually do that in six seconds?
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And I don't know that I can really explain it because it truly is practice, but it's just formatting something, honestly, that is very visually appealing, and that like you can really pick up something and make it very evident about what your level is, you know, what you do, what your industry is, and and how long you've been doing honestly.
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I love this because yeah, one of I do marketing on the side as well as my coaching.
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And one of my clients, I've been working with them for almost 15 years, is an executive recruitment agency who works in high-level finance and high-level construction.
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And I'm just listening to this all and I'm sort of thinking, perhaps even people, when they put their resumes together, they should try the six-second approach.
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If they scanned their own resume, yeah, it doesn't stand up, you know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You'd just be surprised how many people, you know, just they it's almost like they don't put any weight into it anymore, right?
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Of like thinking, well, if my experience matches what the job description or what I'm seeing online, then that's all that really matters.
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Why am I not getting calls?
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Because I've got the experience when they're like not realizing that there truly is, when you're when you're when you're competing against so many different people, that has a weight.
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It carries a weight in how it's presented, if it looks correct, if there's, you know, the spacing is correct, if there's no typos, and just can I like really absorb it quick.
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I know one of the ideas that you share um is that a resume should act more like a solution statement than a list of past responsibilities.
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So, what does that shift look like in practice?
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And I think this sort of ties into, you know, it's not all just experience.
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I almost feel like there needs to be some personality that you've somehow got to bring up.
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Yes, it's concerned.
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Right.
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And truthfully, like I'm in the belief that even already in 2026, you know, as a recruiter, because I still do that piece of it, I can very much tell when something is strictly AI written, right?
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And so I think that like you've got to be really careful about thinking, oh, well, I can just like feed AI the information and they will produce something that's a, you know, that's ATS compliant and all the things that you know we think that we need.
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However, what's happening, like you said, is that there's you then you're just basically a history lesson, right?
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Of everything that you've done in your life as saying, here's my job, here's what I did, here's who I worked here, and here's the time frame I worked for, versus looking at it almost like a business case.
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Like you have to be the person that is solving the problems, right?
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So a lot of clients that I work with, I'm like, we start with that foundation.
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You have to kind of figure out, dive in, not too narrow, but like in a way where we can figure out who are you talking to?
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Like who is your ideal client?
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What does that next job look like?
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And then take that information, and then you're creating the narrative in your resume around solving the problems that that next job is looking for.
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So you become the solution, and it can be and it's read immediately, right?
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You you in that profile summary, it's like that first profile summary paragraph should be short, to the point, value proposition statement forward, where you're literally saying, I am an expert at this for how many years?
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This is what you know, who I've done it for, how I've done it, and and how I've solved the problem and solution.
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So that we become a lot more solution forward than we are just listing all of our daily job descriptions.
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And there is a huge disconnect there that I love these things.
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Yeah, this is igniting that the thought process in my mind is it's like owning your own business and who is your niche.
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Yes.
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I just love this.
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I'm like, you're selling your product, your service, which is yourself, and yes, you're gonna be working for somebody else, it's not your own business, but you can solve a problem, and how do you solve it?
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And what is the result that you that they can expect?
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Can you imagine putting yourself in you know the hiring manager's shoes and you get a resume that basically is like, here's how I solve the problem that you need solved.
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Ding ding ding.
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Okay, like where is the phone?
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I need to call this person immediately, right?
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I mean, it's kind of like it almost seems like a no-brainer to me, but truthfully, I didn't see that before.
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I yeah, I was doing what I was doing for a long time.
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A lot of people have a hard time selling themselves.
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Yeah.
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So I you know, it's new to me, even what you're sharing in this thought process, it's just kind of unfolding in my brain as I'm listening to you and talking to you.
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Because as a hiring person, how beautiful to have the solution solved.
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Yeah.
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As opposed to, oh, this is gonna be my first question in the interview, is like, I'm gonna present this scenario to you and how are you gonna solve it?
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And then you've got to listen to go, well, okay, is that the solution that I want from the person I'm going to bring into my team?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And a lot of times people will be like, okay, well, you know, I've not ever had real, you know, actual tangible experience solving that problem.
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And I'm thinking, okay, you know, that's, you know, that's normal.
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It might not be, but the thing of it is, is you've got to look for that transferable, you know, skill of like in your own job experience, even if it's not the last job, there's somewhere in there that you can show the same kind of thought process, you know, results that ties to what they're looking for.
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So you have to come almost like from a higher bird's eye view of what you're trying to do here.
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And people get super granular into like so specific.
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And really, what we're trying to do is the resume is how you get in front of the hiring manager.
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You really just have to come from like a much larger point of view.
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Don't be afraid to sell yourself.
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So many people have that imposter syndrome where they're just like, I don't, you know, did am I good at that?
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I'm like, well, yeah, you are.
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You just you don't realize it because you do it every day, right?
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But we're trying to get people to to step back, find where you're an expert, find how you can solve a problem that you think somebody will, you know, need solved, and the rest just falls in line.
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Because we, if we get too clunky and too bulky, I almost tell my clients, like, look at it like real estate.
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What's relevant and what's not.
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If it's not relevant to where you want to go, then there's no purpose for it because it just makes it harder to find what I'm actually looking for.
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Simplify.
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Simplify is the way to go.
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Right.
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And as you say, it's just the first, it's the first step in a much bigger step.
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Right.
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Um, you know, it's the first step to get in the door.
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So if you clutter it with too much and you were the right candidate, you've lost that opportunity.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So looking at you know, communicating in leadership, just switching a little bit for senior professionals or those that are moving or want to move towards leadership roles, interviews often require something beyond just listing experience.
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Right.
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So, what signals help a hiring manager go, ah, there's some leadership readiness in this application?
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I think it's all about positioning, right?
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And and showing your market value.
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I think when you when you think about interviews, the the people that I think get hung up the most is not being prepared for what potentially could be asked for.
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So anytime I'm kind of coaching somebody from an interview point of view, you know, again, you have to do the research.
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You have to be prepared.
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And you already have to have those questions answered in your mind because it's all about just connecting the dots, right?
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This is your problem.
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This is how I've done it in the past.
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Even though it might not be on the same level, people are looking for how you can answer and solve problems.
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I mean, it kind of comes right back to that.
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And the the easiest way to kind of like position yourself up, you know, and we talk about, you know, moving up is making sure you know what your value is and highlighting that in the way that they want to hear how you can help them.
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Because it's not in, it's not about what's in it for you.
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It's in, it's about what's in it for them, right?
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So, like having that in in your mind, plus having the right attitude and the connectability and the human piece, usually those go hand in hand for you know, a great interview.
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Yeah, I love that.
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That that just that preparation and then having you as a coach to walk alongside them with all that experience and all those resumes that you've seen is like wonderful.
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But yeah.
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So it's pivoting.
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Yeah, often there are times that people are rethinking their careers right now, or perhaps they're considering a total brand new shift into a new industry.
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What advice do you give somebody who wants to reposition their experience so it can translate into a different field?
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Sure.
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Um, that's a great question.
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I've actually got two clients I'm working with right now that are both going through this.
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One is going from 30 years of um experience in a family construction business and wanting to move into the event and hospitality world, which is a very huge shift, right?
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You're just like, hmm, how do you do that?
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But honestly, the the truth is there always is some kind of transferable skills.
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You know, if you think about that.
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I mean, maybe if you go from an education teacher to medical professional, that is a little bit harder of a, you know, a line to connect.
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But really, this is something I would tell people, you know, this is when you should be using AI.
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You're not to like write the resume because it needs to come from like a, you know, an actual human strategized thought process, but throw in AI.
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Okay, so like if I am in a hospitality looking for a job, and I am in, you know, spent 30 years in construction, where do those lines cross?
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Right.
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And then you're like, okay, and you know, it that will help you just kind of start thinking the lines of, all right, so we've got, you know, logistics and operations and timelines and floor plans and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
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And all of a sudden you're like, oh, wait a second.
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Like, there's a lot of things that will transfer.
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So then the goal is to just take those very specific things and translate your industry or I'm sorry, your your job, your experience in each role into thinking, okay, so if I'm if I've done this and it's related to this, and this is something that hospitality would look for, you write it specifically to what hospitality would want to hear, and you dump the rest.
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Because, you know, I'm I if I'm the recruiter and I'm looking for a hospitality, you know, a director of operations or a director of event planner or something like that, and you're telling me you've been in construction your whole life, that's great.
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But if there's no, you know, if there's nothing that's relating to each other, I'm just like, okay, like, you know, show me how you've been successful in planning some kind of timeline, or if you've been involved in, you know, all the all those details together.
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There's a correlation there, right?
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And then I would also say, secondly, not necessarily having to go back to school to get a full-time, you know, another big degree, but I would focus on certifications, right?
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You know, there's lots of things that you can do that's just like a six-week course or two-week course, or you know, find things again.
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This is another AI thing that's really useful, is you know, find out what's out there in that next industry.
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Because a lot of times it's not necessarily about you don't have, you know, that your your experiences in isn't like lining up.
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It's about showing me how you want, why you want to get into this industry, the steps you were taking, right?
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And then then there's a little bit more of that, again, that humanization of like, oh.
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Like, I can see this now.
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I mean, you're not a direct match, but like I might give you a shot here because I can see where you're putting in the work, you're putting in the time, and you've got some of these transferable skills.
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I think that's key.
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And I think just as the person who's making that transition, if you go and do a little bit of that extra training, it certainly solidifies and creates more of an awareness of like, is this the change I really want to make?
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Right.
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You're right.
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Maybe not.
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Maybe can I do this?
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Maybe it's a fun stream.
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Yeah.
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You know, like, you know, a lot of people, when I keep going back to hospitality, that's just because it's where I come from.
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But, you know, a lot of times people will be like, oh my God, that's such a fun industry and they party all the time.
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And I want to plan events and blah, blah, blah.
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And I'm like, but do you want to work weekends and nights?
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And you know what I'm saying?
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Like and that huge responsibility for creating that perfect event.
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Correct.