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What is it about?
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What am I holding on to?
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And it could be something very simple, like today's a stressful day and I'm overwhelmed.
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And by actually connecting daily, especially in the morning and recognizing things, you could go, oh, this is about you know I'm having I'm feeling stressed.
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What can I do to help myself?
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You are listening to Connect, Inspire, Create, a space for women in business to gather fresh ideas, build momentum, and discover how growth feels lighter with clarity and connection.
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I am Carol Clegg, your host, and let's get started.
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So today I'm honored to welcome Ina Siegel, a pioneering intuitive healer and the best-selling author of The Secret Language of Your Body.
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Ina has dedicated over two decades to helping individuals unlock the secrets of their body's wisdom, facilitating profound healing on physical, emotional, and energetic levels.
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Through her transformative teachings and intuitive insights, Ina empowers people to reconnect with their inner guidance, fostering self-healing and personal transformation.
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Her work has touched countless lives, offering tools and practices that we'll be sharing some of those that bridge the gap between mind, body, and spirit.
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In this episode, I am looking forward to delving into Ina's journey, exploring the principles behind her healing approach and discovering how tuning into our body's innate intelligence can lead to lasting well-being.
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So whether you are new to the world of intuitive healing or seeking a more profound understanding, our conversation promises to be enlightening and inspiring.
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So welcome, Ina.
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Thank you for joining me.
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Thank you so much, Carol.
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It's lovely to have you here from a different continent.
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And so you might pick up that Ina is joining me from Australia along with my South African accent.
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We hope that everybody can understand us, right?
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Ina, your journey into the intuitive healing program began with your own health challenges that you had shared.
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Can you share just a little window onto how those experiences set you onto this path?
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Absolutely, Carol.
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I uh I went into this kind of I guess healing for me was more curing rather than healing as a kind of as an understanding, which by that I mean I had grown up essentially going to medical professionals and with that attitude of they're gonna fix me, they're gonna give me the medication I need.
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I don't know anything about my body, they do, they're the ones, you know, who are going to they're in charge, and I'm not.
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When I started going to alternative healing practitioners, I I went with the same ideology, with the same idea of you know, I pay you, I show up, you you do the pick thing.
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That wasn't working for me.
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So I had back pain, I had digestive issues, I had psoriasis, anxiety, and it just I would go from feeling better.
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I had psorias, I think, yeah, psoriasis.
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I'd go from feeling better for a little while.
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I don't think much helped the psoriasis, to be honest.
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It just kept getting worse.
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This whole thing started from when I was about you know 14, 15, and then it would hit me and it would be so bad where I could hardly walk.
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Progressively, it degenerated from just being a little bit of back pain to I'm having pain sitting, I'm having pain walking, and so on.
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You know, I was kind of I was stuck in this situation.
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I was feeling by the time I was about just you know 20, I was feeling like a victim, and I had this, I had a lot of different traumatic experiences as well.
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So, you know, you mentioned my accent.
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I came from Eastern Europe to Australia, I didn't know one word of English, I was bullied really badly for that.
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I also ended up having a child that died, and when I was 20, that was you know extremely, extremely traumatic and made everything in my body just worse and made me want to die.
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I, you know, suggested to give that framework.
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I ended up at this chiropractor's office.
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I was seeing him for about a year, three times a week, and I ended up you know in this agony, and this is where I had this big shift, and he basically said, Look, Ina, you know, your body suck, and I was like, I know about that.
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What are you gonna do to help me?
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And he he's he stood there because he actually came out of his office, he stood there for a little while and he just said, You know what, Ina, your body wants to be sucked, there's nothing I can do, go home.
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That was as I was enraged that he said that, but at the same time, it's I started reflecting in my mind that this, you know, that I had this body that I had this language, and that I needed to figure out how to tune into it.
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And I was always this person who I need to figure things out.
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So I went home, I placed my hands on my back, I was breathing into the pain.
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I realized how I always breathe really shallowly.
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And as I was breathing into the pain, I just had this sense to ask if there's something higher or divine out there, which I was in a big, big conflict with because I kind of felt like you know, being pregnant so young was was my faith, my trust that everything was gonna go right, and the fact that it didn't, you know, I was in a big conflict of whether you know I should even ask whether anything exists.
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But I I asked and I felt this warmth move through my body, and then for whatever reason it occurred to me to ask if I could see into my back, and it was like the light switch just went on and I could, and all the things, all the memories of being bullied, you know, um, awarenesses of my grandparents going through major traumas, feeling like I was one of those sponges who literally took on people's energy, especially if they were sick because I wanted to help them.
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I just felt like you know, I all of this was in me, and I needed to unwind it.
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Cried, I felt through it, and I did feel like my body was, especially my spine, it was unwinding from this insane amount of tension that I had in there.
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And then I wake up the next day and about 70% of the pain was gone, and I thought to myself, I don't really believe that this is done, you know, because I've had these experiences.
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But what I do believe is that I I want to be a detective, I want to figure out why I'm in this situation.
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And so for the next few weeks, I just kept asking questions, I journaled, I started connecting the pieces together, and several things improved dramatically.
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Like my back pain went, and I've never had it since.
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My psoriasis went, as you know, in front of me you can see, like, you know, it's clean, I've never had it since, but it was all over my elbows, all over my knees.
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It's in my family.
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My my dad has it, my grandfather had it, my dad's sister.
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That was pretty amazing.
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My anxiety went down, my digestive system improved.
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That took way, way longer, and I still have to be aware of certain food.
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Yeah, you know, and and that I need to eat healthy, which is fine because I'm I'm quite good at that.
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But yeah, you know, that was the journey.
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Wow, wow.
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That is unbelievable.
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I mean, I know this is gonna sort of cross over with what you have already shared, but you did say behind your work that illness is rarely just physical, which is what you're sharing now.
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So, what deeper layers do people often overlook when it comes to pain and disease?
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They just they they just think that somehow they've been unlucky or something.
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I hear that all the time, as opposed to the body's actually screaming out and it's trying to get you to pay attention because it doesn't know any other way.
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How else can it get your attention except through pain or something feeling like it's not right inside your body?
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And what the body's really trying to say to you is you will know how to live your life based on how you feel.
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So if you feel off, if things start breaking down inside of your body, it's because the way you're thinking, feeling, focusing on life, having your perception of life doesn't work for your particular body and soul.
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Let's let's call it for what it is.
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And so you're not listening, you're not actually connecting, and the body's going to it it it's the only way you you can hear it, and that's what people don't realize that they think the body's the enemy as opposed to the friend that says this doesn't work.
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You also talk about pain showing up in a different part of the body, perhaps than where it began.
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And I'm guessing this all ties into your cells, your body is trying.
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But what happens there when it it moves to another area of your body?
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Well, it's really interesting because when I was reflecting on all of this, and just to give an example, I had this student and she came to one of my workshops in Perth, actually, a live one that I was doing, and she was 25 and she actually had cancer in her spine.
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And when I tuned into her, when I started to focus, I saw that it did not start in her spine, it started in her chest and in her throat.
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And we started, you know, I I I was asking questions to to gather details, and I said to her, all right, when you were younger, did you have challenges with your dad?
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And were you able to express yourself, or did you have to push everything back?
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It will, you know, she just got teary, and she was saying, Well, you know, I I've never been able to be myself or share who I was, or because my dad, she she then said to me, My dad actually brought me to this workshop, it was a three-day workshop, and she said, I'm really sorry, I'm not even gonna be able to stay till the end.
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And I was like, What do you mean?
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You know, you need to stay till the end because you need to work on your body and you need to do all the exercises.
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And she said, No, my dad has basically told me that you know I'm going, he has to pick me up, you know, it was like four four or five hours earlier because you know, because he had whatever he decided, because we have a long drive back, and I went, and and there was fear, there was real fear in how she was communicating.
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And this is a 25-year-old that's just got married that gave all her power and and was fully controlled by her dad still.
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And so I said to her, There is literally no point working on your spine and your back, it's gonna do nothing.
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Like we you have to start to work on you know, on your chest, on your feelings, on your on your throat, on communicating and having boundaries with your dad and saying, No, there's not gonna be any healing.
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Like another example, recently I was doing a session online actually, and this lady said to me, Can you, you know, I've I've got an issue with my wrist, I don't know what to do.
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Can you give me an exercise for my wrist?
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And I was like, Well, as I was again kind of tuning in, sensing what was going on, I was like, No, it's coming from your neck and shoulders.
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Do you have a neck and shoulder problem?
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And she said, Well, I don't know, but I've I've just been to a chiropractor or a physiotherapist, I can't remember, and they told me the same thing.
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And I was like, Well, again, you need to start to work with the and understand what the neck and shoulders are about before you go to the wrist, because that what I'm really saying to people is that where you feel the pain is often the end result, but it's usually not where it started, and what happens is that if you don't kind of if you don't realize, and it's not just the starting point, it's the main points connected to it, understanding where it starts, and then what else did you do or did you experience that made it worse if it's been there for a long time?
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If it's been there for a short time, then it's usually just those two points.
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That's very much making me think, obviously, when you say the secret language of your body and and listening as you as you're trying to help your clients, you know, really what is the what is your body really saying to you and not looking at that end result?
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So if for my listeners they're feeling overwhelmed by symptoms uh or emotions, where is a safe and simple place if they are wanting to embrace this healing journey and take a different approach to giving up that control to others and go, okay, this is my body talking to me.
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What is a safe place for them, or a simple place I should say, for them to begin that journey?
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Firstly, to see if they can wake the body up.
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So that means to most people, especially when they're in pain, they're not really connecting to their body.
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They're they're often a bit out of the body, they're in the head, that they so depends on again the level of the physical pain that you have.
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If it is possible, then I ask people to like to stand and to start by shaking one just to start to have some movement going, you know, circulation essentially moving through the body, and then do that for about as you know, as vigorously as you is safe for you to do, and then take so do that for about 30 to 40 seconds, and then take some slow deep breaths and feel the difference between one side of the body and the other.
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So you do it, and then you would do do it on the other side of the body.
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Now, if somebody is very overwhelmed, then they need to calm the nervous system down.
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The way to do that is to feel or imagine color, and it could be something let's say using green, everybody has seen green, just go outside and look at it if you have issues with visualization, even looking at it is helpful, and just breathing that color in into your nervous system while you repeat the word calm, calm, just so that you can start to come back into the body a little bit and into calmness.
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And once you've done that, then you would start with the part of your body where there is potentially pain or discomfort, and you start slowly by getting to know that part.
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I know I've just said you know a bit of the opposite, but we we have to sensitize ourselves to get to where it started.
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So we need to start with where it is for most people, and so just breathing into that part of the body and allowing yourself to actually, it's almost like expand and and really, if you could describe the sensation to somebody, what would it be?
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Right?
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So it's it's like usually we're running away from the sensation instead of actually allowing ourselves to feel the sensation, and so by recognizing this sensation, you're actually connecting to your body, and it it's much more likely to give you insight.
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And then you might go things like okay, if there was thought a thought in this part of my body right now, what would it be, or what would it be about?
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And it might be that you realize that you actually hold a lot of fear, a lot of worry, a lot of stress, and as you recognize the thought, you might have another thought, and you can actually say, What's underneath that thought?
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And and then you can start to go, well, where did I get this?
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Is this something is it from my work?
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Is it from my family?
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Who else thinks in this way?
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And then you would go, is there a feeling underneath that?
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And you would allow yourself to have which is different to sensation.
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Sensation could be pain or you know, discomfort, you know, whereas feeling is quite different, and the minute we start recognizing feelings, the pain can start to actually move and shift because that's what it's trying to get you to do.
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Pain is actually connected to feelings in a sense that it is a it is a sense, right?
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And it's actually connected to you know an aspect of our body that is feeling-based, and so once you connect to feeling, you can actually start to understand where it came from, where you go, what is the experience that it's connected to?
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And this is where you will actually start to get a maybe not straight away, depends on how open you are to it, but you might start to understand the experience that occurred, and from that experience, what is the perspective that you took on?
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So if you took on an a really limiting negative perspective, then what's gonna happen is that that perspective is literally going to be subconsciously, where you mean you're not aware of it, but it you're gonna feed it.
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This is it, it's like it gets intertwined with the bigger.
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Think of it turning around.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Wow.
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I know you also talk about while we're talking about this feeling and your body, you talk about the left and the right sides as reflections of feminine and masculine dynamics.
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Tell me a little more about that.
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How does that reveal itself in the healing process?
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When when you see and understand the perspective you took on, what you want to do is you want to change it to a healing perspective.
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What is the lesson or the learning that you could, you know, that you can understand in terms of what happened?
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And that's one of the most simplest things that starts to create change.
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Just so we finish that.
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In terms of the the feminine, the masculine, it's like the left side, which is essentially connected to to your heart, and to how do you connect within yourself, how do you connect with others, you know, from that place of intimacy, right?
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That is the intuition, it's like as a mother, for instance, I know that you know, I could tell that something would be right or wrong with my children from when they were babies.
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I could tell just before they would shout, you know, scream that they needed something.
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It's like we we have that knowing that is a feminine, you know, that's that's feminine aspects that live within us.
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And we both, we have, we always have both, the feminine and masculine, right?
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That need to nurture, the need to communicate and express ourselves.
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All of this is feminine and it's connected to the heart and the spleen because that those are the parts and the organs that represent that in how they work and what they do.
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And then we have the masculine side, which is the right side, where we have the liver and the gallbladder, which represent more of the masculine qualities.
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And this is again not something I've made up.
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This has been known in you know Chinese medicine and other, you know, things, uh, alternative medicines for years.
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Thousands, I should say, thousands and thousands of years, but I'm just trying to explain to people why.
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So also what the liver does and how it processes things is much more of a masculine way of processing, and it's what we found, and I've never found something different, to be honest, when I've asked people questions, that if we're focusing on the masculine and it's it's to do with the father and your relationship with your father, it's a relationship you know with men in general.
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And so, what I found is that relationship to how you live your purpose and whether you know it and whether you how you make money is all to do with the right side, but different parts of the body.
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So, for instance, I was talking to somebody recently, and he was telling me that he had his gallbladder taken out, and immediately I asked him, you know, did you have a painful, difficult relationship with your dad, especially around the ages, you know, of seven to fourteen?
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And he said, Yes, how did you know?
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Oh my god, like it was, you know, really, really painful.
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Like we totally didn't understand each other, I had to be someone completely different.
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And it's like, well, I know without his, you know, without even tuning in, because I know that's what happens and what that's what causes it.
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And I've never found somebody say something different, you know, when I ask questions about these specific parts of the body, and this is why when people have you know given me feedback on my book, The Secret Language of Your Body, the feedback has always been this is out of all the books that are out there, and there's a few now because yeah, that's what happens, and there was only I think two or three when I first wrote it, and uh and the reason I wrote it the way that I did was that I was trying to put myself not into the position of somebody who knows or being the author or the writer, but into the position of if I didn't know, what could I do to help myself, and how can I understand you know what's actually happening in my body, and the reason it's accurate is because I actually tuned into everything and I also understand the logic.
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I'm not gonna say that I, you know, I'm not a scientist, I don't understand necessarily, I don't know the wording for every kind of part of what the body does, but I understand, you know, from the perspective of watching it and tuning in and seeing it logically and intuitively, what is it doing, and from what it does, I understand you know, what kind of thought patterns, feelings, experiences, actions impact your body.
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There is so much to absorb, as you say.
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And I know one of the things just to sit with what you're sharing and yeah, not to rush to a decision, but you have you do caution people against emotional healing methods that promise fast results.
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Why are these unsafe?
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I mean, I'm sure everybody's always searching, is give me my answer, because what miraculous healing for yourself, but it's obviously a journey that you have been on and for a long period of time.
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What happens with these?
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Oh, I'm gonna take this and tune in and I'm gonna be fixed quickly.
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It's different to what you want and how fast you want it to happen because we all want it.
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We're like, you know, I wanted gone yesterday.
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But what happens is that if you go against the actual rhythm of your body and you go, all right, I'm gonna use a technique, and I talk about it just because I I did it myself and I taught people that as well when I was younger.
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If you force, if you're pushing the emotion to come out, and you could be you could do that through intense breathing, or you might be doing something where essentially you actually don't want to feel, and there's I always say there's many modalities, and you can use them in a healthy way or unhealthy way.
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So I'm not saying for people not to do breath work, I'm saying if you're breathing to pull the emotion out because you know that's you know, for some, and you're not ready because to actually look at an emotion, emotion is connected to two experiences, as I said, and traumas, and you're not ready in terms of your nervous system to actually look at it and shift it and transform it, then you're going to deeply, deeply re-traumatize yourself, and you can actually cause enormous damage.
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You can put yourself, and I've seen this over and over again, into a place of being of having constant anxiety or even depression because you went too quick and too far, as opposed to allowing things to come up with wisdom in its own timing and you know in its own rhythm.
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And so when I guide people, I'm always firstly I guide them in a very gentle way, and secondly, I don't, I'm not the biggest believer in going back into traumas, and I think there's much better ways of doing things that you know we've discovered, and and often for me, I like to take you know wisdom that has been brought to us before, like for instance, I love, love, love Jung's work around archetypes, and it's something I've explored since I was you know 21, probably.
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And what I've tried to do, what I realize is most people don't explore archetypes, but don't necessarily explore them in how do we work with them in terms of emotional transformation and trauma transformation rather than only working with memory of what happened in the trauma, they don't actually necessarily know how to bring that part of you.
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And what Jung talked about is that we have these universal aspects of us that combine what we learned from our ancestors and our family.
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So if your family members had a lot of fear, you potentially may take that fear and internalize it into a particular, maybe into when you were a child, you internalize it because we we absorb everything.
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So, you know, we we've all heard people talk about, you know, like or or act like a child, even though they're you know, 30, 40, 50, whatever, you know, 60, and and re overreact to situations that where they go, well, this doesn't make any sense.
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Why am I overreacting?
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Is this coming just from this interaction now?
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And usually it's not.
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And so what Jung talked about is that as a child you might have absorbed stuff, but now as an adult, if you are triggered, I was just gonna use the word trigger, right?
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Right, yeah, from being rejected, for instance, that archetype of the child will overshadow you or will, you know, become really big and take over.
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And so now you're not operating from your conscious mind or your rational logical mind, you're actually operating from the archetype of the wounded child.
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I know that you have a healing card deck and you talk about these archetypes being central.
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Um, I think that's quite fascinating.
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So I would love to finding I'd love to put some of these links in my in the show notes for people to find, obviously, your book and and the cards.
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But for someone, just as we close out our wonderful, enlightening, just yeah, I mean, I just so much wisdom that you have shared.
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So Ina, thank you.
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Uh but for somebody who's this is brand new to them, they've haven't explored intuitive healing.
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Uh what's one small practice just to uh awaken that?
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As you say, I mean, we we try and push things, we move things too quickly, we are delving too far back, but just gently awaken that healer that's within.
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I feel like the minute you wake up in the morning, actually giving yourself a few moments to start to reconnect with your body, to scan your body, to go, where in my body do I feel any discomfort?
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And then just placing your hands if possible on that part of your body and very gently without any pushing, breathing into that area.
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So breathing in through your nose, breathing out through your mouth, if possible, just for a few moments.
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As I was sharing earlier, really exploring what is it about?
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What am I holding on to?
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And it could be something very simple, like today's a stressful day and I'm overwhelmed.
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And by actually connecting daily, especially in the morning and recognizing things, you could go, oh, this is about, you know, I'm having I'm feeling stressed.
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What can I do to help myself?
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What can I do?
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How can I how can I create my day today so that it flows more?
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So that it connects more.
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When you go into the shower, for instance, actually being conscious as you're you know washing your body, can you acknowledge something loving?
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Can you actually say you know something positive about a part of your body?
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So actually bringing some positivity.
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So it's almost like befriending the body.
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And I actually encourage people to put on like put on a song when you go into the shower, something that's really speaking to you because when you use music and a song, you actually start to connect and relate more.
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And so putting on a song or maybe you know a playlist and just feeling into it and and acknowledging your body because most of the time we're so negative, like, I don't like this, I don't like that, you know.
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You know, why is my body not doing this?
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You know, and actually bringing something positive back to your body by by saying, you know what?
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I thank you, thank you for keeping me alive.
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And you would be surprised just by these simple, simple things, how much you will strengthen yourself and how much more your body will actually connect and speak to you.
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As you were sharing that, I love to write quotes on my whiteboard and that word befriend.
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So I'll just read the one that I have now.
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I change these quite frequently.
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But emotions are part of life, giving color and texture to our experience.
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We don't need to be free of them, we only need to befriend them.
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So, Ina, this has been a wonderful conversation.
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Thank you so much.
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I'm going to make sure that I have links for people to be able to reach out and connect with you.
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I know you have a wonderful masterclass, which I'll just tell people a little bit about it.
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A transformative three-hour event led by yourself and designed for individuals seeking to understand that deeper connection from their emotions, their physical health, and their spiritual well-being.
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And so I'll make sure that that link is in the notes.
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And then as far as finding your book, is that on your website for us here in the US?
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Is it an Amazon availability?
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I yeah, I think if you just well, I always encourage people to go to the bookshop because just we want to support them so that we still have them.
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So if you have a local bookshop, that would be great.
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And just asking them if they don't have it to, you know, to get it in, because you know, for authors, that you know, that's the ideal.
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But if not, then obviously Amazon has it and uh you know, uh most of the other book suppliers wherever they are in the world, right?
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That's because yeah, obviously that it's not only the US where people are listening to the show.
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Thank you to those that have been listening.
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If this conversation has sparked some inspiration, I invite you to share it with others to be able to spread the word.
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And this week I say to you, embrace your own way of connecting, inspiring, and creating, hence the name of my show.
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And may your choices bring ease and flow into your world.
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So if you are curious to know about patterns that might be holding you back, I offer you my complimentary insight into your assessment that you'll find on my website, CarolClegg.com.
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And if you're ready for more clarity and confidence and to unpack the results of that assessment, message me on LinkedIn.
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That's the best place to find me.
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So until the next time, take care.