Sept. 12, 2025
Breaking Free from the Loop: James Robbins on Courage, Clarity, and the Call to Climb
What if the patterns you keep experiencing aren't just coincidences, but signs of a deeper loop you're stuck in? Leadership strategist James Robbins had this revelation when he discovered he was living what he calls a "copy-paste life" – experiencing the same challenges, emotions, and even physical ailments on the same dates year after year. Our conversation explores how we get trapped in these loops and, more importantly, how to break free from them. At the heart of this discussion is ...
What if the patterns you keep experiencing aren't just coincidences, but signs of a deeper loop you're stuck in? Leadership strategist James Robbins had this revelation when he discovered he was living what he calls a "copy-paste life" – experiencing the same challenges, emotions, and even physical ailments on the same dates year after year.
Our conversation explores how we get trapped in these loops and, more importantly, how to break free from them.
At the heart of this discussion is courage – the courage to speak your truth and the courage to be authentically yourself, even when it means facing anxiety or potential rejection. This brings us to what Robbins calls an "appointment with your soul"—a concept inspired by Jungian psychoanalyst Dr. James Hollis. Our soul summons us to conversation, but most people avoid this appointment because it's easier to stay distracted with the busyness of life.
Take time today to ask yourself: What conversation is your soul trying to have with you that you've been avoiding?
Discover The Call to Climb — a modern fable blending inspiration, inner work, and timeless Andean wisdom to help you uncover your true calling and live with purpose. Learn more at https://iwillclimb.com."
Where to find James Robbins
Website: https://www.jamesrobbins.com | Instagram: @James.r.robbins | YouTube: youtube.com/@james.r.robbins
Episode Highlights with James Robbins
- Discover how recurring patterns in life may signal a deeper “copy-paste loop” keeping you stuck.
- Learn why plateaus in business or personal life often reflect inner set points, not just strategy gaps.
- Explore the courage it takes to speak your truth and live authentically, even when anxiety arises.
- Hear James explain the concept of an “appointment with your soul”—and why most of us avoid it.
- Understand why anxiety isn’t a red flag but, as James Hollis says, “the price of the ticket to life.”
- Gain a practical first step: create quiet space in nature (or in daily stillness) to ask yourself what you truly want—without judgment.
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Chapters
00:00 - Living in Loops and Seeking Approval
02:52 - The Realization of Copy-Paste Living
05:42 - Breaking Free from Revenue Plateaus
09:35 - Courage to Be Your Authentic Self
14:28 - Having an Appointment with Your Soul
19:52 - Episode Wrap-Up and Next Steps
Transcript
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Because what happens for most of us is that we think if I'm, if I'm really myself, will anybody, will anybody love me?
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We don't quite say it so bluntly because that almost sounds embarrassing Like, oh, I'm ashamed if I think like that, but that's part of the problem, right?
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But if we can approach those moments without judgment and to pull the pull the emotion back out of that and just think where, where do I have to wear a mask that I wish I didn't?
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Where do I wish I could just be me?
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You are listening to Connect Inspire Create, a space for women business owners to gather fresh ideas, build momentum and discover how growth can feel lighter, with clarity and connection.
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I am Carol Clegg, your host, and let's get started Today.
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On Connect Inspire Create, I am joined by my guest, james Robbins.
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I'm going to tell you just a little bit about him.
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So James is a leadership strategist, international keynote speaker and best-selling author.
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Over the past two decades, he has trained more than 50,000 leaders across the globe through his people-centered frameworks, including his widely read book Nine Minutes on Monday.
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His newest book, which is what we're going to dig into today, is the Call to Climb.
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It's part fable, part guidebook, and inviting us into a journey of courage, clarity and calling In it.
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James blends Indian inspiration with universal truths about breaking free from old loops, facing self-doubt and listening to the deeper summons of the soul.
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So, james, welcome, thank you.
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It's a pleasure to have you to join me and I cannot wait to dig into your book.
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Thanks, Carol.
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Yeah.
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So I have just a quick question after that official introduction, something just a little more personal.
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When people first meet you, what is one thing they're often surprised to learn?
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Well, whatever they're surprised to learn, they don't tell me, so they would be surprised, I think.
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I mean I grew up on a small cattle ranch in the foothills of the Rockies.
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I was a shy, introverted farm kid.
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I guess.
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If there's one thing I mean, I was just deathly afraid to get to the front of the room and do show and tell as a kid, and then, you know, my career has turned into being on thousands of stages, so that would probably be that.
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The second one would be that I have an intense fear of heights and even though I climb mountains- that is interesting.
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Okay, so you shared that 10 years ago you realized your life wasn't linear, but a series of loops.
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Can you describe what that realization felt like and how that shaped your book, the Call to Climb?
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Well, I remember I started journaling.
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I thought I heard it would be a good practice and so I started.
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I stuck with it and I journaled probably 10, 12 years and the app that I was using they released this new feature that would let you review previous entries on that day.
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So you'd log in.
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It'll say oh, it's, you know, september 12th.
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You have 10 other entries on this date.
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You want to read them?
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So I would start to read them and, as I did time and time again, what I read was so eerie, like that it was exactly what I just wrote that day.
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Like I was struggling with the same things, the same emotions, the same fears, same obstacles, the same discouragement loops.
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And it got even more bizarre than that, carol.
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Like there were times where I was like doing the same thing, like I'm in a hospital in Costa Rica and a year before, on the same date, I'm in a hospital in Spain getting surgery on my stomach.
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One time I went to the doctor and I couldn't get over this flu, and so I finally went to like a minute clinic and I went in there and the nurse practitioner, she goes to type in my symptoms and she goes wait a minute, you were already in here today and then I said, no, I wasn't.
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And she goes yes, you were, you were at our beach's location and I'm thinking she's thinking I'm trying to get more medication or something I'm like no, seriously, I've been at home all day.
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She goes wait a minute.
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Oh, this is so weird.
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She goes you were at our beach's location on this day one year ago, but your symptoms are all the same.
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I'm just going to copy and paste and put them into today's file.
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And that's just an example of just some of the things I thought and that made me realize like I'm living a copy and paste life.
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You know that's an extreme example, but there was just so many things and that's where I really began to see wow, we really do live in these large orbits, but they're so big we don't see them right.
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We don't see them unless we have something that, like a journal or a friend or that we can notice the pattern.
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To go wait a minute.
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I've been here before and I will be here again unless I change something about my life.
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So that'll bring me to just asking you and I mean, I know this is all part of the book, but breaking this loop, and wow, what a story.
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I mean how incredible to have, as you say, copy and paste, and what an awakening to realize that you know.
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So, coming back to, you said, life can feel like we're living in the same loop and you were copying and pasting.
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Can you share something?
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If somebody else is listening to us right now and they're going?
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Oh, my goodness, I am circling back to these same challenges over and over again.
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What is?
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Because we always say it starts with the baby steps, it starts with a small step.
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What is a small shift that you would say this will lead you towards helping break from that?
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You're going to have copy and paste stuck in my brain now From that looping.
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What would you suggest?
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Well, because you, I know you have a lot of business owners and entrepreneurs that listen to your show, and so I'll stick in that world for a moment.
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You know, let's take something like revenue.
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For a lot of people there's actually a cycle to their revenue.
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In other words, when their revenue gets to a certain point, then it just plateaus.
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And then sometimes we think it's oh, it's our marketing, or we've got to change my funnel, or maybe I should start doing webinars and, okay, there's a time to look at strategy.
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But sometimes the reason you plateau is because your internal set point is not going to let you get beyond that, and that happened so many times in my life and in my business where I would hit these plateaus financially and then I would wonder like, well, what happened?
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But if we zoomed in, what happened was I would start tinkering with my business.
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Right, I would like, oh, let's, I should redesign my logo.
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Wouldn't it be great to bring my webpage more up to date?
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Like starting to do all these things that actually don't drive my business.
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But the reason I'm doing them is actually not to refresh my website.
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The reason I'm doing that is because I don't want to get on the phone and sell, or I don't want my income to go to a certain level.
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So, unless you are taking steps back to look at your life and get more aware.
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So right back to your point again what we don't see masters us, and so it's not until we see it, and then see it without judgment, that now we can start to lean into that and begin to make better choices and even find out, like, what's driving this right?
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What is this serving?
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So for me, let's say with sales, when I would start I'll say tinkering again, it's, it serves something.
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It's served an avoidance of rejection, because this way I don't have to, you know, get on LinkedIn and message a bunch of people and then them like why are you messaging me?
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And so to tinker served that, but at the same time then it kept me stuck.
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Yeah, it's so interesting that you say that, because there are two things that came to mind is one is this ceiling that we put on ourselves and therefore we don't go beyond it.
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But I use positive intelligence methods in my coaching and we talk about saboteurs and one of them is the avoider.
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And so when you feel that avoider come in, there are actually steps that one wants to do to shift from letting that voice be so loud and say you know, go and do anything else other than make that phone call and do whatever.
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And so we have steps that we teach that go.
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Okay, you can pause and you can shift, and you can get curious and you can bring in a stage element to explore what could you do to stop avoiding.
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And in avoiding, the one is small steps, because it's always if you just make that step in the right direction, then it snowballs, and it can go so much further.
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But I would love to switch to talking about courage, because in your book, the Call to Climb, you start with a moment of moral courage.
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You're choosing to speak up when it's uncomfortable.
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So what can everyday courage look like for somebody who is struggling?
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Let's switch to personal life because, yes, everybody but business and personal life to me are intertwined.
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But yeah, we're looking at this courage and then what you said wanting approval and so avoiding, but just tying it into your book.
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What can courage look like for someone struggling with self-doubt?
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I think two things come to mind.
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One is the courage to speak your truth from the soul, not from the ego, but really to speak your truth, and often that comes out with what do you really want and what do you not want anymore or what you won't tolerate in your life.
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So sometimes this even comes with boundaries that have been collapsed and we have all these you know reasons or traumas or triggers that that you know contribute to that.
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So one is being able to speak your truth and the other one is the courage to be yourself, because what happens for most of us is that we think if I'm, if I'm really myself, will anybody, will anybody love me we don't quite say it so bluntly because that almost sounds embarrassing Like, oh, I, I'm, I'm ashamed if I think like that, but that's part of the problem, right.
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But if we can approach those moments without judgment and to pull the, pull the emotion back out of that and just think, where, where do I have to wear a mask that I wish I didn't?
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Where do I wish I could just be me, and what am I afraid of in those moments?
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So I think those are two things.
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Courage to speak your truth, courage to truly be yourself.
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And I know one of the themes you write about is the tension what we're just talking about in your book between living in alignment with our soul and then seeking this approval, and I love what you say.
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Santi Algo explains in your book that living in alignment with our soul often means being at odds with the herd.
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And so we're not trusting our own compass.
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Yes, absolutely unencompassed.
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Yes, absolutely.
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For those listening, what happens in the beginning of the story is the main character, riley, stumbles into this remote village in Bolivia and meets this guy named Santiago and finds out that they've been summoned to climb this mountain, where one is in a sense corralled, to have a conversation with their soul.
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But Santiago is breaking the news to Riley that this is why you're actually here.
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But what happens?
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We get out of alignment with our soul and our soul seeks to have a conversation with us.
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But our soul seeks expression, right, it seeks expression through us and through all our experience and gifts and talents.
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The challenge is, the soul is not concerned about the approval from the tribe.
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The soul just wants to express itself, sort of like an oak seed doesn't care what anyone thinks, it's going to become an oak tree.
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It's going to seek its expression.
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And you know, we're a bit different creatures because we're social animals and so we do care about what the tribe thinks, because we don't want to be alone or we don't want to be isolated from the tribe.
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That's certain death in the past.
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So that's the tension, right, how do I live authentically?
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But then how do I cover the cost of that, which means some people won't like that.
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It's even you know, for people listening who decided to start your business.
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I bet when you started your business, that was a moment of stepping towards more of your authenticity, but I bet everyone didn't like it.
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Maybe your parents didn't like it.
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Maybe you had a four-year degree and then you were just getting rid of it all.
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Like you graduated from law school and now you're going to start a coaching business and you know what did.
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What did your parents think of that?
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Like, not everyone likes it when we step out and into our authenticity and alignment with our soul.
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So it's managing that tension.
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But again, when you understand the game right, when you understand, like, okay, here's what happens.
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Like if you could zoom out or just look at one of your friends, you can explain it easily.
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Oh yeah, of course, not everyone's going to like it, but go for it.
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Like you've got this, you've got the gifts and the strengths.
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It's so easy for us to see this in other people.
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But then, when it's in us, and that anxiety that's produced, right, that anxiety that comes from within, that's meant to keep us in line, so to speak, that anxiety is so uncomfortable for all of us and we're just programmed to think, well, something's wrong, like if I feel anxious, something's wrong.
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Not necessarily.
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Maybe something is absolutely right.
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And as Dr James Hollis says, anxiety is the price of the ticket to life, and I love that quote.
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Wow, say that again Anxiety is the price of the ticket to life no-transcript.
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Yeah, exactly, and so getting comfortable with anxiety, that's really in everything.
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If you're climbing a mountain, you're going to go bungee jump, you're going to get on a roller coaster.
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Roller coasters are terrifying for me, right, but for those who love roller coasters there's some anxieties.
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You go go to give a speech, anxiety, like there's all these places where there's anxiety, but it's it's understanding.
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That doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
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And let's come back to what's my intention, though, and this gets back to having an intention for your life.
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Hey, I want to live in alignment with my soul, I want to honor my path and not climb some other mountain, and so, with that, I understand if this is my path.
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I know there's scary moments, there's anxiety inducing moments, but it's my path and I want to take that, with all the goods and uncomfortable parts that come with it because you talk about a phrase that I think you've used in the book appointment with your soul.
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And often I think we excuse when we're too busy, we're stretched thin.
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There's just how am I going to carve out space for that kind of conversation with myself?
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And what does that mean?
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Appointment with my soul?
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So that was inspired by the work of Dr James Hollis and he's written.
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He's a Jungian psychoanalyst, he's just a brilliant writer.
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But I went through my own dark night of the soul in my mid-30s.
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I was in a very I was in a highly purposeful job, but I wasn't happy and I felt so conflicted because everyone would look at me and think like you've got the best job in the world and I would think, yeah, of course I'm so excited.
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But in my own moments I'd be like why do I?
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Why am I unhappy?
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And it was during that time I stumbled on his work and he has this great analogy, this idea that the soul summons you to have a conversation, it summons you to an appointment, but most avoid the appointment because it's easier just to be distracted with life and run the program.
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And that's what I had done for so many years, right, like why am I not happy?
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But I just keep trucking along.
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Well, I didn't listen to the summons of the soul and I did just keep trucking on and eventually that was a total crash and burn moment for me.
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But it was that idea that inspired the concept of the book of wouldn't this be cool if there was an actual appointment with the soul that somebody had to reach.
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For someone who's listening today and who just kind of feels a tug after they've listened to what we've covered and what you've dug into and they feel called to climb out and on and out of the loop and have no idea where to start.
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What is one simple step that you would say right now, this week?
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You've just listened to this podcast.
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It's come to the end.
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What is one little step they could take to get closer to their authentic path?
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to get closer to their authentic path If you can find the closest path to nature and all of us live usually in some place where we can get out into nature, even if that's a park, but if you can get out even to the mountains or someplace or the beach or someplace where there are few humans and no Wi-Fi signals and lots of nature.
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And the reason I say that there's something about nature that I feel like calms us, grounds us.
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But the times in my life where I've been really weighed down the most, when I've gone into nature and then I've just let myself get quiet, let the thoughts finally settle down, and then just ask the question you know, what is it that you want, james?
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And don't judge the answer.
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And if you have the courage to do that, you'll be amazed what comes up.
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You know, sometimes we've got to sort through, the ego is going to push it.
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It's like, well, we want this, but no, what do you really want, james?
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Don't be afraid of the answer, don't judge it and just let it come up.
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And that's where I would say to start.
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And if you can't get out to nature, then try to carve out some time every day where you can just sit and be quiet and it's difficult.
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It's difficult for me, it's difficult for a lot of people who, especially for those of us who ruminate a lot and we're always thinking or we're creatives yeah, I mean how many thoughts are we supposed to think a day?
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which is insane?
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So which?
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Why meditation is so important, even just counting your breath and giving your brain a moment, even if it's 10 seconds, to just relax and get away from all of those thoughts.
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Well, jones, I just want to say thank you for sharing a huge amount of wisdom and stories with us today.
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I really appreciate you coming on the show and I want to encourage those of you who are listening that, if James' words have sparked something in you, I encourage you to explore his new book, the Call to Climb, because it is.
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It's a beautiful mix of story and practical insight.
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I was privileged enough to get a chance to read the first three chapters and, if I'm correct, that's available when people stop by your website.
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Yes, for sure, they can go to IWillClimbcom, IWillClimbcom, and you can download the first three chapters.
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Start the story, see if you like it, see if it speaks to you, and you can find me there.
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Wonderful.
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Well, I love the warning that you shared in your book, and I have to just share the first part of it, which says what you hold in your hands is more than a book.
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It's an invitation, a summons from your soul, calling you to a conversation that might be long overdue.
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Thank you, james.
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This was wonderful and I will make sure to have links.
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We have your webpage, jamesrobbinscom, instagram, I have for you YouTube and then, of course, the book that Iwillclimbcom.
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So for those that are listening, thank you for being here today.
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If today's conversation sparked some inspiration for you, I invite you to share this episode with somebody you think would enjoy it.
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And this week, I invite you to embrace your own way, somebody you think would enjoy it.
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And this week, I invite you to embrace your own way of connecting, inspiring and creating, just like the name of my show.
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May your choices bring ease and flow into your world, and if you are looking for tools to build powerful habits around a lifelong positive mindset, then I'd love to explore what results you are looking for in your life and your business.
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As a mindset and accountability coach, I work with women business owners in midlife to find balance in not only their business endeavors, but also to help prepare the foundation for a positive mindset.
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Help prepare the foundation for a positive mindset and by blending personal accountability and mindset coaching with the powerful positive intelligence program that I use, you will gain lifelong tools to create a shift in all areas of your life, from personal to professional, and reduce that negative self-talk and discover more self-love.
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So feel free to reach out if you have any questions for me, and I am here to support you on that journey.
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You can connect with me on LinkedIn at Carol Clegg You'll find me there or look for my website, carolcleggcom.
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So until the next time,
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